ummmmm Marvel vs Capcom 3 anyone???

[Riot]

Woo perfected that combo even further and it does just over 1.3 mil with 3 bars as long as the tricky mixup throw in the middle works. I can kill any of the other characters aside from the big guys with 1.3 like Hulk and Thor with two bars at the end. I have the Wesker combo down, I just need to work on more ways to get in and open them up rather than just Task assist + teleport and quick cross up dashes when they jump. Merk did you order the little controller dongle from Amazon? I see a few on there for cheap:

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-Breakaway-Ca ... 253&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CE ... d_i=507846

http://www.amazon.com/Wired-Controller- ... 253&sr=8-7

http://www.amazon.com/MADCATZ-MOV4545-R ... 356&sr=1-3 (who knows about third party ones)

random but I've never heard of this game: http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/577895-slap- ... hm-busters fighting game + rhythm game. just looks curious!

[Riot]

I hate Wolverine. That dive kick's hitbox is annoyinggggg so I present to you this

[Merk]

FOOT DIVE

[Fluffyumpkins]

Merk yelled Foot Dive at a guy dressed as Doctor Doom at Acen. Noice.

[Merk]

Riot, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're not a very humble person and I pray everyday that I can be as good as you. With that being said, I wish you the best of luck at Evo and I'm sorry I could never be a real challenge.

[Riot]

Riot, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're not a very humble person and I pray everyday that I can be as good as you. With that being said, I wish you the best of luck at Evo and I'm sorry I could never be a real challenge.

I'd say I'm probably the most humble player honestly. I don't say anything at all when I play (you get up and dance around and yell lol). Maybe my silence is perceived as silent egotism. I really try not to be confrontational and try to just play well and not be "in your face" about it. I feel like I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't play in this game against you guys. If I do well then I am a smug a-hole who sits there and doesn't say anything, but if I do bad I am "slow-playing" you and you get even madder. I'm a lover not a fighter.

Anyways, I'm pretty good offline but I still lose a lot online. It's probably a combination of lag and getting matched up against pretty good people, but I just can't get in on some people to cross them up and start my combo. Or I get them and in the heat of the moment I'll call the assists in the wrong order or something, or the lag will slightly throw my reset timing off and I'll drop it when they have just a sliver of health left and then I get psyched out.

Here this video is made for you Merkie: http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2011/may/ ... mbo-video/

foot dive

[Merk]

Riot you're a funny guy and your hopeless social situations in Marvel tickle me with delight. I think hoopin' and hollarin' are the best parts of Marvel. In the future I think we should just play first to 10 matches and then (when you beat me 10 to 1) we'll just call it. It's really not fun losing 20 times in a row, it sort of kills the buzz that one can get from exclaiming foot dive.

[Fluffyumpkins]

[Merk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CbcaTQ4 ... re=related

[Riot]

[Merk]

I'm gonna tier-list MvC3 for the fuck of it. I'm basing this off of overall value to team with a great emphasis on point characters instead of assists. Obviously I am very wrong in some spots, let's debate!

Phoenix tier:
Phoenix

--S tier--
Wolverine
Magneto
Wesker


--A tier--
Amaterasu
Taskmaster
Dante
Sentinel
Doctor Doom
Dormammu
Zero
Akuma (tatsu assist is too good)

--B Tier--
She-Hulk
Iron Man
Chun-Li
Trish
Deadpool
Spencer
Ryu

--C Tier--
X-23
C. Viper
Hulk
Thor
Tron
Haggar
Felicia
Shuma-Gorath
Super Skrull
Morrigan
Spider-Man (his Phoenix shenanigans save him from shit tier)
MODOK (he's way too hard to use in a game that's crazy fast)

--Shit tier--
Arthur
Chris
Jill
Captain America
Viewtiful Joe
Hsein-Ko

[Riot]

Merk silly, you and your Dr. Doom. You are delusional! He's an okay assist character but there are tons of others who have better assists. Your list is a bit goofy since you said you tried to rank them on

1.) Usefulness to a team
2.) Ability on point (not just on their assists)

Yet you have Ironman way above Tron and Haggar! Here is my list of plain and simple "best characters" to play, keeping in mind their ability on point, their usefulness as assists, and their overall team synergy.


--S tier--
Wolverine
Magneto
Phoenix
Dante


--A tier--
Akuma
Sentinel
Wesker
She-Hulk
Amaterasu
Taskmaster
Tron Bonne
Zero
Dormammu


--B Tier--
Haggar
Deadpool
Iron Man
Spencer
Ryu
Doctor Doom
Spiderman (he is super mobile and good with Sentinel's drone assist for double throw combos)
Chun-Li
Trish


--C Tier--
Chris (much better than you think!)
X-23
Felicia
C. Viper
Morrigan
Hulk
Thor
Shuma-Gorath
Super Skrull



--Shit tier-- (I don't necessarily agree that they are all bad, as I got destroyed by a Viewtiful Joe/Jill team synergy that was out of this world, but they are not that great unless you're very good I agree)
Arthur
Jill
Captain America
Viewtiful Joe
Hsien-Ko
MODOK


Best teams IMO (in no particular order):
Wolverine + Sentinel + Akuma
Wolverine + Sentinel + Phoenix
Magneto + Wesker + Phoenix
Magneto + Wesker + Akuma
She-Hulk + Wolverine + Akuma
Wolverine + Dante + Akuma

[Merk]

I like this discussion.

Here's my reasoning, Tron and Haggar are awful on point. They both have zero mobility and base their game off of one normal (j.H for Tron and The Pipe for Haggar) and they both lose hard to any type of zoning / keep away. They have the best assists to slow down rush down but that's it - they are assist characters pure and simple. Not even X-Factor can overcome their shortcomings.

Iron Man on the other hand has a chance on point. He's not great at all on point and he's very hard to use but he has a decent bread and butter combo and a beam super. Unibeam assist is good plus it has the unique property of holding your opponent in place.

Spider-Man is shit because he can't do damage. He has all the keep away in the world but he has zero zoning game which makes the former useless. He can't DHC glitch and his assists are bad although web ball might have some potential.

Doom is awesome. He's probably low A tier or high B tier at worst. Two of his assists are good and force the match to be played differently, he can build meter (M&M combo which I never do), motherfucking foot dive has huge priority that leads into a high/low mixup or runaway, he's got decent keep away, a decent zoning game, benefits greatly from X-Factor, and he's got flight. He suffers from shitty supers, combos that require effort to pull off, and piss poor mobility outside of flight and foot dives.

I am surprised you put Wesker and Phoenix as low as you did. Phoenix literally changes the game to "OMFG snap her in and blow everything you have on killing her before she can tag out." Good luck in catching her as she comes in otherwise you'll have to do 420k in chip.

Top teams:

Wolverine/Akuma/Phoenix
Wolverine/Sentinel/Phoenix
Wolverine/Doom/Phoenix

Wesker/Sentinel/Phoenix
Wesker/Doom/Phoenix

Basically, take a good point character that doesn't need a lot of meter, add a assist that covers the screen for berserker claw or teleport mixups, and add Phoenix.

[Riot]

Merk I know you like Doom but there is no way he is on a "top team." He isn't that good sadly! He is slow, has terrible hypers, and his assists are still outclassed by many other characters. Only Clockwork plays him, and he isn't winning any tournaments.

The problem with your analysis is that you consider an "assist character" to be inherently bad. The point of this game is to open up your opponent and finish them off with your first point character if possible. If you die and only have Tron or Haggar left, somewhere along the line you have messed up. The reason why Haggar and Tron are better than Doom is because they have much more invincibility and priority (Doom stays on screen forever), and it's harder to open someone up with his assist than it is for Haggar, which basically stops offensive pressure and creates an opening for you. The game is all about playing a strong point like Wolverine, opening them up with an assist, and killing the first character. That's why you see people pop level 1 X-factor immediately with Wolverine to kill off the first character and then to have an advantage with damage/speed for the second character jumping in.

The reason why Phoenix isn't #1 is that she's a liability. My list wasn't necessarily best characters in the game if they went 1 on 1 against each other, it was taking into consideration their value on a team, their synergies with other top tiers, and overall value to contributing to a win. Yes she is good as Dark Phoenix with level 3 X-factor, and yes she has the "Phoenix factor" which psyches people out and causes people to play differently, but it's a tough world out there for poor Jean when she's playing actual good people who relentlessly snap her in and mix her up. If she dies early that's pretty much the game for you. She is just way more risky than playing a solid Wolverine/Akuma best friends combo. She's stupid good when she's level 3 x-factored, but most top players aren't letting that happen as much these days. In fact I think if you replace Doom for Haggar or Sentinel, your Magneto will benefit greatly in his triangle jump high-low rushdown. Just play Magneto/Sentinel/Phoenix, call drones and triangle jump in to create a high-low ambiguous mixup, go coast to coast and build meter, then call in the chicken head.

My point is that sometimes "assist characters" like Haggar are much better than characters who have a pretty good assist and who can stand on their own more because whoever gets that first hit in with Wolverine is likely going to win or have a huge advantage. It's all about opening people up early and killing off their strongest characters and assist options; plus Haggar has the most HP in the game and works as a great meat shield to gain meter and set up good damage if you get in on someone (he can start the DHC trick btw). This game is all about FAST characters and mixups, NOT combos. All the top characters are fast and mobile and can create solid mixups and teleports. All you have to do is throw your opponent off guard or catch an air throw and combo after it, or atleast open up your opponent and start your touch of death combo.

Spiderman's not that bad either. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve-2xCjYYVQ He also has this sweet combo with Sentinel where he calls the drones, gets them in a webswing, opponent gets hit by the third drone after the first swing, he starts a second web swing and then combos after it. He's clearly not a great character but he's better than a third or half the cast.

[Merk]

Yeah Doom isn't top but he's not as bad as you're saying. No one is playing him because there are ultimately better options for the style of play the top tournament players use which is Wolvernine/some assist/Phoenix at the moment. Really, the second character doesn't really matter on that team as long as the assist can cover wolverine during a beserker slash. Hence why Sentinel is on top teams despite being extremely vulnerable to mix-ups and instant overheads.

I like Doom because his assist helps me zone and he doesn't suck ass on point. My zoning style of play won't win huge tournaments but it will help me beat you in casuals. Tron is bad bad bad on point. Haggar is bad bad bad on point. How a character plays on point matters a lot more than their assist IMO.

Obviously it's about team synergy in the end which is why someone like Viscant picks Iron Man over Doom despite Doom being many times better on point. The Unibeam assist is better for his Wesker than Doom's beam so he put his eggs into the Wesker and Phoenix basket. But that's a single example of when IM is better than Doom, the problem with a tierlist in Marvel is that you have consider a characters value to a team. IMO, Doom fits better into more teams than IM because his assists are flexible and he does not suck on point.

When I play, I know my Magneto is going to die at some point in the match so I can't do well with a good assist / shitty point character. I should probably switch to a more common battery/user/assist style of team but for now I will lose to you more and more.