Halloween is back!

[bunnydreams]

Yeah, I laughed when I read that. I hadn't visited this site since last year around this time, and there's actually been a lot of updates.

Dude I think I'm getting a place...you can visit if you want too

That'd be a lot of fun. How's the scene out in South Bend?

South Bend have a scene?...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

We got nothing.....;_;


EDITED by mod to unbreak the page - investigation is in progress.

[Grubb]

It makes me wonder were all the rational women have gone =\

I haven't been to the site to look more into what you're talking about. My assumption, though, is that most of the people trying to get in on the money are women. To which I have two replies, one for you side, and one for mine. There's more than a chance that a lot of them are just out for the money. I've no doubt. It's a huge sum, after all. If I remember right, though (correct me if I'm wrong on this), it's generally accepted among people that believe the supernatural exists that women are more perceptive to activity around them than men are.

I wasn't talking about anything specifically on the website, just what the website stands for. It reminded me that almost every single girl I know is really, really, deep into astrology, ghosts, and other supernatural mumbo-jumbo.

I think I know maybe one girl who isn't like that, and she goes to Boston University and works as a page at the House of Representitives.

[Original Sin]

And it never occured to you that something so many people have experienced might have a bit of truth in it?
Just because you haven't seen it yourself, doesn't mean it's not
real.

[Fluffyumpkins]

Ghosts are kind of like that frog from the cartoons that sings and dances whenever that one poor sap is around, but he can't seem to show it to anyone else.

[Original Sin]

There are many ghosts that have been seen, on multiple occasions, by many people at once.
Generally speaking, people are also more perceptive when they are alone, and not distracted by the presence of others.

[Grubb]

And it never occured to you that something so many people have experienced might have a bit of truth in it?
Just because you haven't seen it yourself, doesn't mean it's not
real.

No, just because I haven't seen doesn't mean that it's not real. But just because you believe it is doesn't make it real either. And when there is so much scientific evidence that proves that it's not real, and it simply doesn't make since that it would be real... Then chances are that it's not real.

I don't particularly care how much you believe in this silly mystical mumbo-jumbo. Just because you people want to believe this crap is real doesn't make it real either.

No offence guys, but I seriously think that if you believe in supernatural crap, especially astrology, then your probably very gullible. And you seriously need to start thinking for yourself.

Also, this isn't directly meant to offend anyone, especially Sin, but I am seriously sick of people trying to convince me that all this crap is real. Seriously, you people are like used car salesmen. You can't goad me into believeing this crap, and I'm not going to say that I do just so you won't call me "Close-minded."

[Mosh_Mosh_Revolution]

And it never occured to you that something so many people have experienced might have a bit of truth in it?
Just because you haven't seen it yourself, doesn't mean it's not
real.

No, just because I haven't seen doesn't mean that it's not real. But just because you believe it is doesn't make it real either. And when there is so much scientific evidence that proves that it's not real, and it simply doesn't make since that it would be real... Then chances are that it's not real.

I don't particularly care how much you believe in this silly mystical mumbo-jumbo. Just because you people want to believe this crap is real doesn't make it real either.

No offence guys, but I seriously think that if you believe in supernatural crap, especially astrology, then your probably very gullible. And you seriously need to start thinking for yourself.

Also, this isn't directly meant to offend anyone, especially Sin, but I am seriously sick of people trying to convince me that all this crap is real. Seriously, you people are like used car salesmen. You can't goad me into believeing this crap, and I'm not going to say that I do just so you won't call me "Close-minded."

None of us are trying to force you to believe that it's real. I don't believe anyone yet has said "ghosts are real and all of this realistic and logical information you're giving me is crap."

Even though that's what you're saying to us.

There are a lot of supernatural things that people don't believe in, if you look at that aspect. The people I know that believe there's aliens out there, I could count on one hand. The people I know that follow astrology and their zodiac signs are pretty much crackpots anyway. n_n

The only other outlandish thing like this that I do is read tarot cards. And you can ask anybody that reads them. If they aren't one of the quacks that you're thinking of, they'll tell you that each card has a very vague base meaning, and that they as the reader assigns a more focussed meaning to each card as it applies to the person that they're reading for. If you're good at doing that, your readings come out very well. It has nothing to do with mind reading or mumbo-jumbo, as you'd call it. I find that it's an interesting way to bend my mind, kind of like putting together a puzzle or doing a crossword.

I wasn't talking about anything specifically on the website, just what the website stands for. It reminded me that almost every single girl I know is really, really, deep into astrology, ghosts, and other supernatural mumbo-jumbo.

I think I know maybe one girl who isn't like that, and she goes to Boston University and works as a page at the House of Representitives.

So the one girl that you know doesn't believe in any of this stuff is obviously a successful person.

Does that mean that all of the girls that DO believe in these things aren't going to be successful? No, it doesn't. Just because the Boston girl is more down to earth (or more inside the box) than most of the girls you know doesn't mean that, in the end, she'll amount to more than they will.

And I'm sure that you know a lot of completely unsuccessful, directionless people that don't believe in any of this stuff, too.

So I feel that your example of people that believe in these things is as full of holes as you believe our beliefs in the supernatural are. *shrug*

[Green Tea]

Personally I think the formatting on this page is possessed... anyone else getting it really weird?

[Mosh_Mosh_Revolution]

Personally I think the formatting on this page is possessed... anyone else getting it really weird?

Yeah, it's really weird on my end, too. Maybe the next page along will be better.

[Original Sin]

I really don't care if any of you guys truly believe it or not, but I just want you to keep one thing in mind.
Science changes, and it changes frequently. Something that may not be explainable by science today, may be explainable tomorrow, or next week, or 10 years down the road.
We didn't always know what disease was, or how to combat it. We didn't always know that substances in this world are made of a set of base elements, and can be manipulated as such. Hell, we didn't always know the world was round, either.
I've said it before, a good 90% of the paranormal stuff you hear about is over-hyped crap, just something to sell on TV to get ratings.
There is paranormal out there, but sorting the real out of the fake shit is very difficult to do, almost impossible unless you were there and experience it for yourself.
You don't just read a book, or watch a TV show and become a hardcore believer in the paranormal. It's something you have to experience, something you have to see for yourself. Unless you do, there's always going to be that doubt in your mind.

[Grubb]

And it never occured to you that something so many people have experienced might have a bit of truth in it?
Just because you haven't seen it yourself, doesn't mean it's not
real.

No, just because I haven't seen doesn't mean that it's not real. But just because you believe it is doesn't make it real either. And when there is so much scientific evidence that proves that it's not real, and it simply doesn't make since that it would be real... Then chances are that it's not real.

I don't particularly care how much you believe in this silly mystical mumbo-jumbo. Just because you people want to believe this crap is real doesn't make it real either.

No offence guys, but I seriously think that if you believe in supernatural crap, especially astrology, then your probably very gullible. And you seriously need to start thinking for yourself.

Also, this isn't directly meant to offend anyone, especially Sin, but I am seriously sick of people trying to convince me that all this crap is real. Seriously, you people are like used car salesmen. You can't goad me into believeing this crap, and I'm not going to say that I do just so you won't call me "Close-minded."

None of us are trying to force you to believe that it's real. I don't believe anyone yet has said "ghosts are real and all of this realistic and logical information you're giving me is crap."

Even though that's what you're saying to us.

No, that's not what I'm saying to everyone. I'm saying that I'm sick of people trying to convince me that something is real when infact it's not. Not just people on this website, but alots of people in general.

The people I know that follow astrology and their zodiac signs are pretty much crackpots anyway. n_n

I'm very proud of you that you know this. Most girls I know act like idiots, raving on and on about how this boy they met is "Compatable to their sign!" or something like that, and then act all surprised when the relationship turns out just as bad as any other relationship they ever had.

The only other outlandish thing like this that I do is read tarot cards. And you can ask anybody that reads them. If they aren't one of the quacks that you're thinking of, they'll tell you that each card has a very vague base meaning, and that they as the reader assigns a more focussed meaning to each card as it applies to the person that they're reading for. If you're good at doing that, your readings come out very well. It has nothing to do with mind reading or mumbo-jumbo, as you'd call it. I find that it's an interesting way to bend my mind, kind of like putting together a puzzle or doing a crossword.

Tarot was originally a card game that was kind of used as a teaching tool to teach Pagan children about their religion and to mock their christian converters. It wasn't until after paganism was almost compleatly converted did Pagan Gypsies start using them for Fortune Telling at carnivals and festivals as a way to earn money.

I wasn't talking about anything specifically on the website, just what the website stands for. It reminded me that almost every single girl I know is really, really, deep into astrology, ghosts, and other supernatural mumbo-jumbo.

I think I know maybe one girl who isn't like that, and she goes to Boston University and works as a page at the House of Representitives.

So the one girl that you know doesn't believe in any of this stuff is obviously a successful person.

Yes, she is a very rational person.

Does that mean that all of the girls that DO believe in these things aren't going to be successful? No, it doesn't.

I never said it did!

Just because the Boston girl is more down to earth (or more inside the box) than most of the girls you know doesn't mean that, in the end, she'll amount to more than they will.

No, but rationality is usually a sign of maturity and intelligences, and those things are very important if you want to be sucessful in life.

And I'm sure that you know a lot of completely unsuccessful, directionless people that don't believe in any of this stuff, too.

I know a couple, but the majority of people I might consider "unsucessful" tend to think on impluse and tend to be rather gullible and also just happen to believe in supernatural things. The ones I would consider "unsucessful" who I would also consider rational became "unsucessful" due to sudden and dramatic loss (Major illness, Losing a large amount of money, loss of someone they were close to.) and weren't able to bounce back.

So I feel that your example of people that believe in these things is as full of holes as you believe our beliefs in the supernatural are. *shrug*

Not really, this is exactly what I was talking about when I said "you people are like used car salesmen." and "I'm not going to say that I do [believe] just so you won't call me "Close-minded."

[mexican ninja]

And it never occured to you that something so many people have experienced might have a bit of truth in it?
Just because you haven't seen it yourself, doesn't mean it's not
real.

Many people have also claimed to have "talked to Jesus/God", and are currently in prison for murder or fraud. Many people also claimed to have seen Jesus on a grilled cheese sandwhich. One person got filthy rich because of this.

Many people claim the moon landing was faked, and all the evidence is hidden in Area 51 (Fox had a special about this a while back). Many people say the moon landing was real, and that nonbelievers are crackheads.

In other words, just because a bunch of people claim something is real, doesn't always mean it is.

[Original Sin]

Oh, I never said that.
I don't mean they should beleive every word I say,
just don't be so quick to discount something they've
never experienced, just because they haven't.

I'm not arrogant enough to say the moon landing was fake,
or that it was real. I just don't know. I wasn't there, I'm not
on the inside, so realistically, I have no fuckin' clue.

The truth is, you never really know if something someone
says is true or not. So, you can believe me if you want,
or you can not believe me. However, I know what I've seen,
and I've been dealing with this shit since I was born.
I don't just make up 20 years worth of paranormal events
for shits and giggles.

[malictus]

(Hoping to get this thread past this messed-up page...)

If you take belief in the 'supernatural' in a vague sense, then it even includes things like belief in God, prayer, karma, or even just the vague notion that 'things happen for a reason'.

If that's the case, then about 99% of the people in the world believe in the supernatural, in some form or another. I'd hesitate to say that 99% of the people in the world are 'crackpots' or 'idiots'.

Belief in 'something' out there beyond us is nearly universal throughout human history; over the years the myths have changed, but the basic belief in something greater than ourselves is prevalent in pretty much every culture throughout time.

I'm somewhat contradicting myself here, I know (since I almost always play the skeptic), but I just don't think we can completely justify all of religion and spirituality throughout history as 'superstition' and nonsense...

[Original Sin]

...Because we all know the God himself just ISN'T capable of creating something that can walk through walls, or allowing the existence of something we can't understand.

And that Jesus dude, yeah... CRACKPOTS!

The supernatural is directly tied to religion. The existence of ghosts, angels, demons etc can only be explained by religious means, since the fact of the matter is, we don't have a damn clue what happens to people after they die, mind and soul wise anyway.
If you believe in any form of an afterlife, than believing in ghosts is a very natural thing.
And no, you can't prove or disprove an afterlife. Go ahead and experiment on that one all you like....or better yet, I'll come back and tell you when I die.