ummmmm Street Fighter IV anyone???

[Fluffyumpkins]

Ryu is a solid choice, and who cares that he is popular and easy to play? If you do good with him and you feel comfortable, that's what matters!

I'd really like to get away from him eventually. I think it is more fun to have 5 or 6 characters you can play, and 1 or 2 that you can play especially well.

Can you imagine only playing Akuma and sucking dickballs with everyone else?

Yeah that would suck so bad. Whoever does that will die alone.

Well the good thing about Ryu is he is relatively straightforward, so you can learn a LOT of the important basic fundamentals with him that will transfer well to other characters. I would imagine anyways, because who knows how skills transfer to other characters since I don't venture away from my comfort blanket character. I'd like to be good with Ibuki and Adon, and Ibuki is the only other character I slightly know how to play. There is still a long way to go with her if I'd ever want to win consistently though; I rely on that kunai wakeup vortex way too much and get punished really hard. Oh well, I like being good with one dude instead of being mediocre with 5 dudez. Even though lately I am super mediocre with my only 1 dude =(

You're very agressive. Whenever you hang back for a minute to throw some fireballs, it really changes how I have to react. I don't play Akuma, obviously, but having a air-hadou seems like a great idea on wake up. It makes me go right into a block which you can try to throw, overhead, or just execute some blockstring to keep pressure up.

Have you tried (on a corner wake up scenario) air-hadou land and do an immediate Ultra 1? It seems like it could work.

[Riot]

Ultra 1 doesn't work there, they have hit stun when they get hit by the fireball, and my Ultra is not a grab, so I will just kind of slide into them and not actually grab them. You'd be able to jump right over. Ultra 2 works off of a connected EX air hadoken, because it is a kick that hits them as they're taking the damage from the fireballz

But yeah... honestly, I don't really play you like I play other people online. In ranked matches I am more defensive and throw more fireballs and stuff. I play more offensive with you and just try to get combos, and sometimes leave myself open to give you some combo practice too. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE YOU MAD AND HAVE YOU QUIT THE GAME =( LIKE MERK. But it's not like I'm not trying, I'm just playing like... 90%. I DUNNO! Not trying to make excuses, I just don't try any of the gay stuff on you as much, like cross up vortex and repeated demon flip grab (though it doesn't really work on Ryu)

Playing more defensively is definitely the way to go though, and reacting to other people's mistakes is much better than jumping in and making your own mistakes. You have gotten lots better so now I will try and be gayer.

[Fluffyumpkins]

Please gay to MaXx.

[Riot]

Please gay to MaXx.

[Merk]

Riot,

I understand what you're trying to say about Makoto, but I think it has more to do with Justin Wong being Justin Wong instead of Makoto being a tournament viable character. There are a shit load of videos out there of people playing poor characters (Dan, Fei Long, etc.) and beating good players playing their mains.

Just saying, you'll find videos of people playing Alex/Oro/Necro and absolutely destroying someone playing Yun/Chun/Ken but that doesn't make them any more viable at high-level play. If you put Justin - playing Makoto - in EVO 2010 I promise you he wouldn't make it to the finals because Makoto is just a shitty character. It's just the nature of the beast, if you put Daigo in a Third Strike tournament and he can only play as Twelve then he is going to get rocked. I'm not saying it's impossible for him to win, but he is extremely less likely to win and he'll have to rely on luck and his opponent fucking up. Fighting games are not balanced and tiers definitely exist, anyone that says otherwise is either bad at the game or has never played in a for serious tournament.

But you know this already.

[Riot]

Yes I already know this. However, once a "good player" shows the rest of the world a character's untapped potential, more people raise their eyebrow, log on to the character threads on SRK boards, and learn how to play and try to pick them up... then the quality of everyone playing that character eventually rises, and then people don't cry as much about losing and how bad they are. It's happened with Fei Long and Seth as people have caused stirs in tournament scenes, and then all of the sudden the board will go from 62 viewing to like 1000, and all of the sudden you see a lot more popping up online. Just saying, sometimes seeing good players using characters to their peak potential will stop people from mindlessly saying "oh, sakura sucks" for instance.

[Fluffyumpkins]

Yes I already know this. However, once a "good player" shows the rest of the world a character's untapped potential, more people raise their eyebrow, log on to the character threads on SRK boards, and learn how to play and try to pick them up... then the quality of everyone playing that character eventually rises, and then people don't cry as much about losing and how bad they are. It's happened with Fei Long and Seth as people have caused stirs in tournament scenes, and then all of the sudden the board will go from 62 viewing to like 1000, and all of the sudden you see a lot more popping up online. Just saying, sometimes seeing good players using characters to their peak potential will stop people from mindlessly saying "oh, sakura sucks" for instance.

Sakura does suck.

[Merk]

Yes Riot, that exact same shit happened with Fei Long on Vanilla SF4. A lot of people picked the character up, played around with it, realized that despite the fact he could do some baller shit he still sucked, and moved on. How many Fei Longs do you see on the internet now? The exact same shit is going to happen with Makoto and whoever else becomes the flavor of the month.

The top tier is pretty much set in stone at this point and those characters will consistently win tournaments. There is no doubt in my mind that the top tier is not going to change dramatically because some dude found a revolutionary way to play a certain character. Mid and low tiers will switch around a lot but I assure you one thing will remain the same and that is that they won't be winning tournaments.

Anyway, going to Ft Wayne now, let me know if you want to hang out fwend.

[Riot]

Top tier has already shifted a bit in SSF4. http://www.eventhubs.com/guides/2008/oc ... -rankings/ I think this is the latest one. I agree that tiers are pretty much locked in, but I still think tier doesn't really matter THAT much in this game - certainly much less than any other fighting game I've ever seen.

But yes I want to do something perhaps. You can come to my new abode and we can play a game or be merry.

p.s. guess this kind of seals the deal on Yun/Yang - http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/sep/ ... test-site/

[Amp Divorax]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jofQlIo ... re=related

[Riot]

Poison? I don't know much about him/her or how he/she plays, but it would be a weird addition. For some reason I don't really think "it" will be in the game, but may be leading in for Hugo.

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/sep/ ... haracters/

It'll be interesting to see what other additions/tweaks they're planning, and I assume his last message just means everything will get updated as DLC.

Also, here's a good compilation of Tokido, one of the best Akuma players. I'm trying to emulate him as best I can, but I need to work on the little cr. lk, cr. lp, cr. mp etc. into bnb. I pretty much only get into it off a connected dive kick, or a connected roundhouse > cr. mp > bnb. He always seems to do a sweep after his bnb instead of a shoryu. I've seen people do it, but never crunched the numbers to see if it does better damage or stun. I'm guessing it does more stun, but the timing is harder.

Chad if you would have just stuck it out a little longer you could have gotten this:

[Riot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTCutUi2kaY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyW9lCVvsvM

Kinda funny Street Fighter High the musical videos. They included most all the characters (except THE BEST CHARACTER IN THE GAME) and they're pretty well done.

[Fluffyumpkins]

Poison? I don't know much about him/her or how he/she plays, but it would be a weird addition. For some reason I don't really think "it" will be in the game, but may be leading in for Hugo.

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/sep/ ... haracters/

It'll be interesting to see what other additions/tweaks they're planning, and I assume his last message just means everything will get updated as DLC.

Also, here's a good compilation of Tokido, one of the best Akuma players. I'm trying to emulate him as best I can, but I need to work on the little cr. lk, cr. lp, cr. mp etc. into bnb. I pretty much only get into it off a connected dive kick, or a connected roundhouse > cr. mp > bnb. He always seems to do a sweep after his bnb instead of a shoryu. I've seen people do it, but never crunched the numbers to see if it does better damage or stun. I'm guessing it does more stun, but the timing is harder.

Chad if you would have just stuck it out a little longer you could have gotten this:

Try Plinking yo.

[Riot]

merk here is your fatter asian counterpart talking about Dudley vs. Abel on that Cross Counter show where the break down player videos

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/sep/ ... /#comments

[Riot]

Some relatively big news about balance tweaks in the arcade version (which will trickle down onto consoles). Also specific details about Yun and Yang's movesets in SSF4.

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/sep/ ... -4-arcade/

Dudley is getting some buffs Merk, be happy. Some other buffs and nerfs to other characters, including slight nerfs to top tier, and relatively decent buffs for bottom midish tiers.

"• Akuma can apparently Shoryuken, Focus Attack Dash Cancel into his Ultra 2 now." This might actually make U2 not terrible now. But I love Raging Demon sooooo much =/ with U2 being trash it made it a no-brainer, which I liked. Don't like decisions! I mean look how amazing his U1 is, it has tons of crazy set ups: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPbYd_A6KfA&hd=1#t=4m33s Also some really good combos at the beginning of this video.

Sucks that I might have slower walk speed now though, and EX dragonpunch does less damage now =( Hopefully the U2 buff is enough to offset all the other nerfs.