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people don't realize in how much shit american civilians are going to be in


"This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry. Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation."




FEMA camp that would be used (and is currently ready and standing by) to contain large numbers of civilians in order with executive orders. this ones even in beach grove indiana - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... tage&hl=en

(also, according to the video posters research, has had asphyxiation gas units installed, not heaters like mentioned in the video) ex: death camp

edit: just looked it up myself. my god. The furnaces and tanks shown outside that say AGA GAS INC on the side. all aga gas inc makes is asphyxiation gases - http://www.msdsonline.com/binder/scott_ ... p?letter=N


the government is ready

Fluffyumpkins wrote:Tanks. We need tanks to be safe.

I know you're just saying this to be a wise ass, but there's a shred of thruth in it.

Problem being, that now a days even tanks, heavy artillery and a good civilian militia couldn't stand up against the federal government in open warfare. Not when they have satellite guided weapons, and can strike a single target from half way around the damn world.
The only 'civilians' that are even allowed near these weapon systems are within the national guard, which these days is controlled by the government as well.

So, if the government should choose to enact, say...martial law, or take further steps towards fascism....really, what the hell are we as citizens gonna do about it?
The 2nd amendment allowed civilians power over the government...but now, when all we're allowed are the simplest of small arms, and the army has limitless technolgy at it's disposal...the playing field is no longer even.

I believe there are civilian militias scattered about the country...but you know the instant any of them try to require, oh I dunno, a fleet of tanks or artillery, they'd be branded as terrorists and promptly disappear.

Although some of those executive orders do seem scary, I'm sure many (if not most) countries have similar orders that they may use in emergency situations.

"Huh." at the camp.

OMFG kids seriously....just stop while you're...well, you're not ahead....so just stop!

aspen wrote:OMFG kids seriously....just stop while you're...well, you're not ahead....so just stop!

Why are you so against us all expressing our opinions on this topic? Are you afraid of something?

expressed opinions + little to no knowledge of subject = unnecessary statements

aspen wrote:expressed opinions + little to no knowledge of subject = unnecessary statements

You work for the military, therefore your opinion is biased.

Don't make statements.

Original Sin wrote:

Fluffyumpkins wrote:Tanks. We need tanks to be safe.

I know you're just saying this to be a wise ass, but there's a shred of thruth in it.

Problem being, that now a days even tanks, heavy artillery and a good civilian militia couldn't stand up against the federal government in open warfare. Not when they have satellite guided weapons, and can strike a single target from half way around the damn world.
The only 'civilians' that are even allowed near these weapon systems are within the national guard, which these days is controlled by the government as well.

So, if the government should choose to enact, say...martial law, or take further steps towards fascism....really, what the hell are we as citizens gonna do about it?
The 2nd amendment allowed civilians power over the government...but now, when all we're allowed are the simplest of small arms, and the army has limitless technolgy at it's disposal...the playing field is no longer even.

I believe there are civilian militias scattered about the country...but you know the instant any of them try to require, oh I dunno, a fleet of tanks or artillery, they'd be branded as terrorists and promptly disappear.

I honestly just don't see the threat of the military anymore, and I don't see how civilians carrying guns can protect us. But I'll submit that we just differ in opinion.

SoDeepPolaris wrote:

aspen wrote:expressed opinions + little to no knowledge of subject = unnecessary statements

You work for the military, therefore your opinion is biased.

Don't make statements.

It's called a knowledgeable opinion/statement.

SoDeepPolaris wrote:

aspen wrote:expressed opinions + little to no knowledge of subject = unnecessary statements

You work for the military, therefore your opinion is biased.

Don't make statements.

this is very true.

also, do not think you have any better idea what is going on because you served in the military. unless your the head of the dod, fema, or cia, then I would stop acting high and mighty

Potter wrote:

SoDeepPolaris wrote:

aspen wrote:expressed opinions + little to no knowledge of subject = unnecessary statements

You work for the military, therefore your opinion is biased.

Don't make statements.

this is very true.

also, do not think you have any better idea what is going on because you served in the military. unless your the head of the dod, fema, or cia, then I would stop acting high and mighty

You seriously need to stop talking Potter, or I shall break you!

stop making silly personal threats, and counter my argument. or better yet, find one bit of information I supplied that can't be verified. (none)

Potter wrote:stop making silly personal threats, and counter my argument. or better yet, find one bit of information I supplied that can't be verified. (none)

Little man, you need to chill and relax...and quit taking things so incredibly personal.
However, if it's a debate you want, then fine.

That video provides nothing but a one sided story. Give me facts. Better yet, Mr. Instigator, verify your information before posting. You're also giving opinions based off a subject you know nothing about. There are two different worlds out there. You've been in one...and not for very long at that.

Chill out...relax...go grab a box of Cheetos or whatever you kids these days eat.....and simma down now.

Damn.

you failed to counter anything i say or prove wrong anything i have posted. that event is one event that happened. there is many more like it. but if for some reason you want to focus on just this one, and not the previous ones that actually involve people getting shot and killed by the police, then ok. google the event, you will see all sides of the story, they all agree the police took horrible action on innocent protesters.


oh, heres one you might like -

peaceful lady protester gets shot at, then police laugh about it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G63FEamhpA0


you, chris dice, don't know what your talking about, and perhaps are living in ignorance, or perhaps fear to wake up and realize this isn't the little fairy land you were raised in.

Potter wrote:you failed to counter anything i say or prove wrong anything i have posted. that event is one event that happened. there is many more like it. but if for some reason you want to focus on just this one, and not the previous ones that actually involve people getting shot and killed by the police, then ok. google the event, you will see all sides of the story, they all agree the police took horrible action on innocent protesters.


oh, heres one you might like -

peaceful lady protester gets shot at, then police laugh about it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G63FEamhpA0


you, chris dice, don't know what your talking about, and perhaps are living in ignorance, or perhaps fear to wake up and realize this isn't the little fairy land you were raised in.

Trying to argue with a kid is like arguing with a wall.

Fairy land eh? I'll show you a fucking fairy land. You don't know what it's like to live in the real world you little piece of shit. Don't you ever talk to me like that. You have no idea what the fuck I've been through, and what I've experienced and seen.

You see a world that's appears to be in chaos. You're mistaken.

I see a world that's simply having issues...a country that's having issues. You may think that this nation is fucked up because incidents like these. I promise you though, you cannot imagine the fucking chaos this nation will reap upon itself. You haven't seen the other possibilities. I've been to every fucking end of the spectrum my mistaken friend, and let me tell you something....I thank God everyday for letting me be here in America.

Yes, our country has problems. We have issues. What country doesn't? Quit fucking complaining about this, or that. Put that (i hope) intelligent mind to something more productive, and try to make a difference. If not, then get the fuck out.

Sitting here sulking, and whining is not going to do any good. Nothing makes what the military or police do right, and it's inexcusable...but visit another country and then talk to me.

Every armed force, be it the Military, Police or whatever....is always going to have bad apples. Just because certain incidents (supposedly) happened this way, doesn't mean the group as an entirety is bad. Our military, albeit filled with a variety of people, is still the best out there and overall good.

I'm going home now. I'm sure I'll be right back here tomorrow, for I know that kids these days don't know when to stop...