Rap Music, and the Discussion of It

mexican ninja · Post by **mexican ninja** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:42 pm

Shaun, your arguments against rap are as stale as you claim the genere to be. I mean I've heard the repititive beats and "omg they make up wurds" arguments so many times I think I'm going to throw up. As for the beats, I'm not sure what you want. I mean, artists could have complex, constantly changing beats, but then when it comes time to rhyme (cute eh?) all the vocals are going to get lost in the kicks and snares. Very few artists can pull this off. And I mean lets take a look at our buddy AWK. Some of the most simplistic...everything on that album, but its still absolutly amazing. Anybody that disagrees hates fun and is a commie.

As for slang, does anybody honestly care? Or are you just afraid that black people may be able to insult you and you won't know what they're saying? I can understand that.

And what's up with the need to have humans playing insturments? I'm serious here as I really don't understand the point. Different people have different ways of getting their music across.

Pretty much, if you're looking for shit you're going to find shit. Listening to radio is a godawful way to hear what's out there. I buy more mainstream rap CDs than most people here, but I never listen to raido. Ever. Stop making all your generalizations from Hot107.9 because I know that's what you're doing. You can't hide from me.

To JP: what? Mainstream music being all about the cash? That's bull. If I was an artist I would much rather play my music for a stadium full of people rather than a garage half filled. Just because someone is making bank doesn't mean they've sold out. It just means they're doing what they love and gettin paid at the same time.

Also, Shammers, I was going to say something sarcastic (I think...) but I got distracted by food and forgot. Sorry that the genere isn't working out for ya.

I don't feel like spellchecking this.

SoDeepPolaris · Post by **SoDeepPolaris** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:52 pm

Don't make me spit some verse about this thread
Leave your arguments in little pieces and shreds
My main Mexican man just posted truth, it'll spread
Til you finally get it through your GENRE-lized head

Peace out, I got phat beats and I'm gonna make some bread
Goin' mainstream isn't selling out
Cause some cats can still spit clout
Even if you fools love to doubt

Original Sin · Post by **Original Sin** » Wed May 02, 2007 11:16 pm

I've got no problem with slang, until I meet a great number of people who use it to the point they can no longer speak the language it was derived from.
This is a problem I've encountered the most with rap fans, black, white, and otherwise.
I'm aware some people DO speak like that genuinely...but there are also a mass amount of people who speak like that just to be cool, and it annoys the shit out of me. It irritates me even more that some people expect it to be taught in city schools as it's own language in place of English. Wouldn't it be easier to just teach them how to speak English properly, instead of giving them their own class so they can continue not understanding it?

SoDeepPolaris · Post by **SoDeepPolaris** » Thu May 03, 2007 12:19 am

Original Sin wrote:I've got no problem with slang, until I meet a great number of people who use it to the point they can no longer speak the language it was derived from.
This is a problem I've encountered the most with rap fans, black, white, and otherwise.
I'm aware some people DO speak like that genuinely...but there are also a mass amount of people who speak like that just to be cool, and it annoys the shit out of me. It irritates me even more that some people expect it to be taught in city schools as it's own language in place of English. Wouldn't it be easier to just teach them how to speak English properly, instead of giving them their own class so they can continue not understanding it?

Languages change. The English we speak today is not that close to what was spoken five plus centuries ago.

JP_Sasuke17 · Post by **JP_Sasuke17** » Thu May 03, 2007 1:00 am

[quote="Original Sin"] It irritates me even more that some people expect it to be taught in city schools as it's own language in place of English. /quote]

Slang 101 FTW!!!

SoDeepPolaris · Post by **SoDeepPolaris** » Thu May 03, 2007 1:50 am

JP_Sasuke17 wrote:
Original Sin wrote: It irritates me even more that some people expect it to be taught in city schools as it's own language in place of English. /quote]

Slang 101 FTW!!!

You really need to work on the whole

thing.

ShammerS · Post by **ShammerS** » Thu May 03, 2007 1:57 am

At IU there's a class on Ebonics. I haven't taken it yet.

JP_Sasuke17 · Post by **JP_Sasuke17** » Thu May 03, 2007 3:10 am

SoDeepPolaris wrote:
JP_Sasuke17 wrote:
Original Sin wrote: It irritates me even more that some people expect it to be taught in city schools as it's own language in place of English. /quote]

Slang 101 FTW!!!
You really need to work on the whole
thing.

I know how to quote, I just accidentally left out a "[" is all

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Thu May 03, 2007 4:31 am

JP_Sasuke17 wrote:
SoDeepPolaris wrote:
JP_Sasuke17 wrote:
You really need to work on the whole
thing.
I know how to quote, I just accidentally left out a "[" is all

Just quit while you're ahead... please...

ShammerS · Post by **ShammerS** » Thu May 03, 2007 5:27 am

JP_Sasuke17 wrote: You really need to work on the whole
thing.

I enjoyed this thoroughly.

aspen · Post by **aspen** » Thu May 03, 2007 6:52 am

rap isn't music.

danc1005 · Post by **danc1005** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:05 am

Spazz wrote:
JP_Sasuke17 wrote:
SoDeepPolaris wrote: You really need to work on the whole I know how to quote, I just accidentally left out a "[" is all

Just quit while you're ahead... please...

Lmao, seriously.

malictus · Post by **malictus** » Thu May 03, 2007 9:00 am

aspen wrote:rap isn't music.

You're right --- they're not SINGING, so it must not be music, it's just rhythmic speaking.

So let's see, what all isn't music because it doesn't have any singing in it? All non-vocal classical music, including most stuff by Beethoven and Mozart. And all that African drum music -- we can just throw that stuff right out. Percussion ensembles must not be music either. There, is that better?

Original Sin · Post by **Original Sin** » Thu May 03, 2007 4:16 pm

mexican ninja wrote: Pretty much, if you're looking for shit you're going to find shit. Listening to radio is a godawful way to hear what's out there. I buy more mainstream rap CDs than most people here, but I never listen to raido. Ever. Stop making all your generalizations from Hot107.9 because I know that's what you're doing. You can't hide from me.

I think the argument here is ABOUT radio rap. No one's denying that there IS good rap/hip hop. Well, except maybe Aspen. But we'll ignore that, because the 'not music' argument is almost as cheesy as the 'because the bible says so' argument.
What I dislike about the rap on the radio nowadays, is that it could be better if the market would shift away from the fad of gangsta rap, and expand. It seems it's more of a social thing than a musical one, and more talented/creative rap artists are being kept out of the spotlight they deserve because they're just not thug enough for the industry. That's what pisses me off the most, are the fads and niches in the music industry that explode..then everything sounds the same...then it fades and dies. Rinse, repeat. It happens in just about every genre.
It's happening on a smaller scale with metal, as well, which I'm equally pissed about for the same reason I dislike gangsta rap. It all sounds the same, and it's nothing more than watered down, uncreative shit that thrives, while acts that would actually expand and improve on the sound are left....well, playing in garages and shitty bars, because labels aren't insterested in it.

Which brings us back to this...

To JP: what? Mainstream music being all about the cash? That's bull. If I was an artist I would much rather play my music for a stadium full of people rather than a garage half filled. Just because someone is making bank doesn't mean they've sold out. It just means they're doing what they love and gettin paid at the same time.

-which I agree with. Record labels are about the cash, not the majority of the artists on them. Yes, some artists do 'sell out' for the sake of publicity and cash, but most of the time this isn't the case. Often times it's not even the artists making the call about musical direction...once you sign to a label, if you're not careful about your contract, the label owns your music, and you are legally obligated to produce music for them. Sometimes creative direction is left to the artists themselves, othertimes, it's not.
We have so many shitty copy cat bands not because everyone wants to be the same, but because the industry directs what gets popular, and what doesn't. Obviously, a label is going to direct it's assets to a band it knows will sell decently because it's in style, instead of a newer sound that's a risk.

mexican ninja · Post by **mexican ninja** » Thu May 03, 2007 5:33 pm

I think I was slightly misunderstood, I have no problem with gangsta rap at all. I just think Hot107.9 is an awful station. Honestly, most of Fort Waynes radio stations are pretty awful in general. I also hate how they speed up their songs. I dunno, it just bugs me.