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Re: ummmmm Marvel vs Capcom 3 anyone???

Post by Riot » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:54 am

Omggg the game hasn't been out for a month. It is the first major and everyone is using easy familiar stuff. People were dropping every combo, got frustrated, and switched to Wesker because he's easy and a powerful fit for many teams. You are falling into scrub mentality. In 6 months I bet you will not see as many Weskers.I actually watched the whole stream and Wesker was a resort to not drop combos anymore for a lot of people.
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Re: ummmmm Marvel vs Capcom 3 anyone???

Post by Merk » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:00 am

if wesker remains unchanged between now and evo i will bet you $50 that a wesker team will be in evo finals.
easy and a powerful fit for many teams.
exactly. because he is top-tier
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Re: ummmmm Marvel vs Capcom 3 anyone???

Post by Riot » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:21 am

I'm not saying Wesker isn't "top tier" in the sense that top tier imo is like 8-10 characters. I do not think that Wesker will end up in top 3 or 4. My point is that he's not god tier like eventscrubs whiners would like to believe. People are just having the same kneejerk reactions they did to Sentinel. The game is way too early abd most characters have not been discovered yet. Wesker is simply the day one solid, easy character and that's why he's popular. You have to remember the people at that first major top 8 were also pretty much half of the evo top 8.... Obviously they're going to make Wesker look good... They'd make lots of characters look good since they have good fundamental knowledge and Wesker is just god at capitalizing off the fundamentals.
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Re: ummmmm Marvel vs Capcom 3 anyone???

Post by Merk » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:10 pm

He's probably upper mid tier
I'm not saying Wesker isn't "top tier" in the sense that top tier imo is like 8-10 characters.
god at capitalizing off the fundamentals.
this isn't day 1 shit anymore, this is an update. people have been fucking around on this game's engine for months and know what works and what doesn't. shenanigans will always spring up in fighting games but strong rudimentary characters will always be better and win (hence, they are god tier when everyone in the cast requires a gimmick to be good).

look at mvc2 cable. in the entire 10 year span of that game he never dropped below god tier even after people discovered MSS. wesker's stock may go down slightly but you will never be gimping yourself when you pick him, that is literally the determining factor in team fighting games.

i love how you keep using sentinel as an example. wesker does not have any of the unique flaws that sentinel has (big hitbox, instant overhead exploitability, sentinel-only combos, vanilla mobility) that people could exploit to work around the character's strengths. it is hardly a similar situation.

a wesker team won evo. he got buffed in ultimate. i don't know how you can keep saying that wesker is going to be not god tier. i agree that someone will share god tier with him eventually but he is far and away the best character as it stands.
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Re: ummmmm Marvel vs Capcom 3 anyone???

Post by Riot » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:01 pm

Wesker did not get buffed overall. He lost health and definitely feels squishier. His counter hyper got nerfed and can't be used instantly anymore as a reaction to upclose physically hypers. The biggest nerf is not being able to teleport and combo off of hitconfirmed or random gunshots. The shades buff is okay but I don't like having a character that feels different at different times and that you have to waste meter with a relatively bad hyper to take off the shades. He is high tier because a lot of the other top tiers who were direct counters like invincible assists got nerfed down.

I'm using Sentinel as an example of a kneejerk nerfing response from listening to whiny casual players instead of letting the game play out. Obviously Sentinel has different weaknesses but didn't deserve a 400k health nerf. You say Wesker has no weaknesses but I've already covered those. Sentinel has strengths in where Wesker has problems, namely the air. And he can do a lot more damage.

Yes this is an update but that just plays into my point. People have had a year to mess with Wesker so he's familiar. We've only had 3 weeks to use the new cast who are verrrrry promising (Hawkeye, Firebrand, Strange, etc.). Look at what Chris G is doing with Firebrand/Hawkeye/Ryu. He is amazing. Give people more months to break open new and improved characters and people will be less likely to run back to easy to play Wesker. Money is on the line, obviously people are going to switch out their new characters that they haven't quite perfected bnbs and mixups for. At the first mvc3 tourney justin wong was running chun li and everyone was saying how her legs were the best assist in the game. Stop overreacting and let the game evolve.
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Re: ummmmm Marvel vs Capcom 3 anyone???

Post by Riot » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:35 pm

Still think (as much of SRK does) Zero is top tier:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjh4kyCa ... r_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNIifFqO ... ideo_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHDEeL5b ... r_embedded

Can get 1 million without even using a hyper. I think Dormammu is top 5 too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8JV4Vl9 ... re=related Amazing mixup teleport with his own wall-bouncing dark matter, scary chip/damage in xfactor, very good lockdown. Viper was largely considered one of the best up and coming characters and hidden top tier at the end of vanilla and she didn't get nerfed at all in Ultimate, so she's super scary. Firebrand is reallllly good too. I believe we'll see much more of these characters soon. Felicia too, she's an up-and-comer.

Some good Viper/Firebrand matches: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQcfwALt ... r_embedded Firebrand's unblockable is nasty if you have any lockdown assist at all.
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Re: ummmmm Marvel vs Capcom 3 anyone???

Post by Riot » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:37 pm

http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?th ... st-6216198

Good post by Viscant. The entire thread echoes my thoughts really.
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Re: ummmmm Marvel vs Capcom 3 anyone???

Post by Fluffyumpkins » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:41 am

@aol.com... wow. How are these people so good at Marvel?
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Re: ummmmm Marvel vs Capcom 3 anyone???

Post by Fluffyumpkins » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:14 pm

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Re: ummmmm Marvel vs Capcom 3 anyone???

Post by Merk » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:17 pm

Fluffyumpkins wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuTDG47jXAQ

Bahahahaha!
I like this video. This is a good post.

*waits for Riot to claim Captain America is top-tier now*
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Re: ummmmm Marvel vs Capcom 3 anyone???

Post by Riot » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:40 pm

Cap is pretty good IMOOOOOO

This match is fun to watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Cg_9em ... r_embedded#!

Dieminion is pretty good with Viewtiful Joe/Strange/Morrigan. Joe and Morrigan are good against Wesker.
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Re: ummmmm Marvel vs Capcom 3 anyone???

Post by Riot » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:42 pm

ey merkmang

play these guyz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWvlhcYBILk
and here's an explained version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQp307jv7Lo

Flocker, one of the best Zero players is using Zero/Vergil so it's a really good combo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhVLHwNXaqA

Lots of other match videos around, guess it's a popular duo. Doom in back with plasma beam helps both of them get in and start the combo. He's not really that great with meter aside from his level 3, so you don't have to really worry about wasting meter with Zero or Vergil. Doom basically builds enough meter to kill anybody with 1 bar in Xfactor (or with a level 3 after the extended corner loop). IMO, very very very good team. Zero is top tier and is good match up for a lot of the top tier characters, aside from like Hawkeye and Taskmaster.

Anyways we just talked on the phone. Other points to think about: Deadpool (teleport and guns are faster, tele + beam assist is really good), X-23 is really fast and has a teleport-hop that can be really nasty, and Iron Fist does a crap ton of damage. He can use the long-lasting beam assist to get in and Wesker to extend his combos. He hits hard but is relatively hard to play I think.

I still think Dormammu, Vergil, Hawkeye, Nova, Spencer, Zero are all probably the best choices. Nova's air dash + j.H with a beam assist is nasty... that thing has huge range and crosses up. Nova is really good about getting happy birthdays on assists especially with that slide (like crouching hard or something). Can probably use Wesker assist + that rush move that crumples to set up some resets too. That's why I put Task last so both characters can use the assist and if he gets hit he has more time to recover. Could always try point Strider too, he'd be very tricky with his wall clings/teleport + assist, just gotta be careful in all of these cases not to use assist unsafely since he's in second spot. Hell you could try Ghost Rider on point too, he can be pretty nasty with hidden missiles... I tried him and was okay with him. Couldn't get Wesker to synergize well with him but I think it can work since I've seen it on the stream I believe.
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Re: ummmmm Marvel vs Capcom 3 anyone???

Post by Riot » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:45 pm

wahhh wesker is too good his gwasses are too bwoken Image

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOlBytaU ... r_embedded#!

very entertaining set actually. Some cool stuff from both people. Zero is a monster, especially if this guy knew how to block better.
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Re: ummmmm Marvel vs Capcom 3 anyone???

Post by Riot » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:53 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwbl3g-W ... r_embedded#!

Parrying is really fun, as is the whole Heroes and Heralds mode in general. The little 3S tribute at the end of the video is pretty awesome. I've been having a good time collecting cards and putting together different combinations. It gets a little unbalanced and over the top, but there are still some awesome cards. I have two Fou-Lu cards (the dude from Breath of Fire 4) which lets you X-factor multiple times, so with two of those equipped I can X-Factor like 4 times =P. That's probably one of the most broken ones, especially with Wesker who can X-factor and OTG to continue combos.
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Re: ummmmm Marvel vs Capcom 3 anyone???

Post by Fluffyumpkins » Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:45 pm

That's a pretty obnoxious noise.
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