danc1005 wrote:liquidblue aka DBV wrote:
EDIT: and that m1dy compared to any pop group, ever, is like comparing unreal tournament to halo.
aka, the former owns, the latter sucks.
Wow. You must be joking. I guess you enjoy listening to speaker-destroying pure NOISE?
And for the record, I rarely play Halo and made that sn in like 7th grade.
I'm not joking, you just don't posess the ability to split music apart in your head into seperate channels.
What I mean by this is that me, and most of my friends in my area, can hear each seperate track in speedcore songs; we can hear the individual drums/each beat, each synthesizer, each noise/track and thus the song sounds nowhere near garbage or speaker destroying noise.
It actually sounds pretty damn beautiful, like a symphony sped up and WAY more intense. most normal music bores the hell out of me now because it's so damn boring, just tap tap tap tap on the hi-hat with a bass drum hit on 1 and 3 and snare on 2 and 4 with a cymbal crash every 4th time.
BigBadOrc wrote:
Halo owns. that's why it's more popular=)
First off, Halo has got to be one of the most boring, slow, simplistic games i've ever seen, and it just boggles my mind how it's became like a cultural icon.
Unreal Tournament 99, Starsiege Tribes, for two good examples, blow it out of the water.
UT99 has speed (at least 2-3X faster than halo), super reflexes are needed, the weapons are mostly balanced, the maps are FAR more entertaining, Assault missions are awesome, there's none of this shield garbage and recharging life (that's for campers), etc.
Starsiege Tribes has more complexity than any other FPS to date (i can argue this rock-solid, it's not even opinion, it's fact), and takes wayyyy more skill to play at even a decent level than Halo would take to play at a skilled level.
Yes, you say Halo is just a fun party game and it doesn't take much to pick up and play and that's fine. Mario Party is that way too, but you don't see people touting Mario Party as being the end-all of FPS games like it was some messiah as people do Halo, which is why i say Halo sucks and it's not really that great at all.
Basically, from what I can assume from this, people dont' like to challenge themselves or play anything that REALLY tests their reflexes/mental skills/is complex, which leads me to my next point;
85% of people in the world are sheep, and just follow/do whatever mainstream media tells them.
Justin Timberlake or Linkin Park is probably more "popular" right now than the Beatles. Does this make them better? Hell no.
On the same side, i'm not trying to say that because I listen to m1dy and porcupine tree and mogwai and devin townsend and etc. that my music is BETTER, i'm saying that my music is better than those bands *because it's better IMO* regardless of it's popularity.
Saying something is "good" because it's "popular" is extremely retarded.
Popularity is one of the worst indicators you can go by nowadays in terms of whether something is good or not. Very rarely does popularity ACTUALLY indicate something's fun anymore (at least to me, it doesn't).
For example, every single celebrity i've ever heard talk about a video game mentions they play one of these games;
-GTA series
-Halo series
-Pac Man
-Mario series
-Sonic (extremely rare)
-Fight Night
-Madden
-Zelda
-Pokemon
that's it. I will bet you *my house* that you can't find a celebrity in pop culture media who doesn't work in the game industry in some way, who says that say, they like Geometry Wars, or Boom Boom Rocket, or so on.
(and for the record, i hate Fight Night, Madden, Halo, Zelda, and Pokemon.)
(GTA is decent.)
(and every single Sonic game since Sonic CD/Sonic 3 + Knuckles has blown, HARD.)
BigBadOrc wrote:
a good point. however.. if itg and pump are so good.. and are widely considered to be good excercise... then why don't more people play?
Because ITG is like, in maybe 200 arcades in the entire nation, and that's stretching it, and PIU is even rarer; in all of California we have like, five or something.
BigBadOrc wrote:perhaps part of it is the ease of learning factor - they should have made pumps interface easier to learn and neither should fail you at all. i've seen lots of beginners get up to play, fail the first song, and just walk away probably thinking "i'm just not coordinated enough"
Pump's interface is something a baby could learn, they explain it to you right off the bat when you press start and pick any mode besides expert, and PIU doesn't fail you on the first song unless you just walk off the machine.
ITG is a hard game. period. Also i'm pretty sure on some machines it doesn't even fail you on the first song either, depending on settings.
And you know what? They *AREN'T* co-ordinated enough. NO ONE is the first time they play ANY dancing game, that's why you have to train yourself.
See, this is the type of thing right here i'm talking about. Sorry to tell you, but this is why Japan (and many other countries) are kicking our ass in technology, overall IQ of the population, and longevity in life. (suicide rate too, but eh)
THEY CHALLENGE THEMSELVES.
Americans now have this completely retarded, backwards additude where we try to make it as easy on ourselves as possible and never try to further ourselves, never try to surpass our limits, never try to push forward past what we've been able to do before, because we'd rather just take the easy road and not have to work at it.
I played DDR back in 2000 and I sucked at it. DDR is cake compared to ITG, but I must have blown 100 dollars on it in that first week just trying to get up to heavy level.
I did, and now throughout the years, i've gotten as good as I am; if the machine would have just let me pass all of the songs I wanted to and didn't auto-fail me, I would have put no effort towards the game, would have sucked, and would have gotten bored easily.
When you play a fighting game, do you expect to like, get tickets if you lose? Or do you expect to pass your driver's license test when you deck a phone booth? No, because you outright failed. The game fails you because you failed, and you need to train yourself more; not be gaven a pacifier.
If you can't get any better, then DDR/ITG/PIU's not for you, and i'm sure there's other things you'd be better at, but that's just the way it goes. I've always wanted to be good at the guitar, piano, drawing with pen/pencil, and be big and buff to be able to play football, but i can't do any of those, because it's just not in me, and I have to accept that.
If you can't do something, you shouldn't expect something to give you the easy way out, because you still can't do it for real, it's just a pacifier.
EDIT:
I'm not trying to be a dick with this post, but really, it's this type of thinking that just burns me, because personally, I always put 100% effort into my work and hobbies, etc.
Also the thing about popularity burns me because really, that's just stupid thinking. At one point the KKK was popular, would you have followed it because it was popular? What about Nazi's? etc.
